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Post by Sniper1946 » Mon May 22, 2017 9:50 am

Mysterious Odessa still undiscovered


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Today nobody questions the fact that after the war there were many institutions that helped Nazi criminals in hiding and arranging a new identity. The dispute about the role of the mysterious Odessa in this abuse but still raises emotions.
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The last days of World War II rather not associate the best in Germany. When word spread that Hitler shot himself in his bunker, no one had any illusions that this is the end. Berlin Red Army was equal to the ground, and from the west were coming US-British troops. Anyone who had any connections with the criminal state apparatus, in a fit of panic sold off the property and fled as soon as possible. No one wanted to fall into the hands of the Soviets, because there was too great a risk that instead of the court, will go to the so-called bullet killed a ditch. historical justice. Even Heinrich Himmler shaved off his mustache and turned to run.

Escape routes, contemptuously called rat lines, always led by a certain town: Bremen, Frankfurt, Stuttgart and Munich and continue to Memmingen, a medieval town in the Bavarian district podalpejskim. Here they are separated the road. One led to Lindau on Lake Constance, where he again shared (to Austria or Switzerland), the second led to Innsbruck and continue through the Brenner Pass to Italy. After a stop in Rome refugees were sent to one of the Italian ports and from there they sailed, where they could. Most often to South America, especially Argentina, because it was an open secret that President Juan Perón Nazis greeted with open arms.

One of the biggest mysteries of World War II. Mystery complex "Riese"
This story began over 70 years ago. Having built in the Owl Mountains, the new headquarters of Hitler, was to be the largest of its kind - this is why the project has received its codename "Riese", or "Giant"
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Today we know that the vast majority of Nazi criminals was never judged, and many fled from justice high-ranking murderers. The discussion on whether helping them to escape the mysterious Odessa organization, going on for years.
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Post by Sniper1946 » Mon May 22, 2017 9:51 am

The fact is that the ten thousand refugees, more than 800 fake passports settled through the Vatican and the International Red Cross. According to some historians to organize assistance on this scale require action at the institutional level.

The long list of shame

Odessa ignites mass imagination at least since 1972. When her myth popularized the sensational novel Fredericka Forsytha "Odessa Files". British writer plot of the book focuses on the secret organization members of the SS, which set itself the goal of helping war criminals escape from law enforcement agencies and to provide them a secure life after the war. The idea itself is not sucked from the finger, because of the existence of the secret organization were convinced a lot of people, led by Simon Wiesenthal, the famous Nazi hunter, and even the American FBI.

The idea of ​​the establishment of Odessa (Ger. Ehemaligen Organization der SS Angehörigen, the Organization of Former SS Members) had to leave during the war of Heinrich Himmler. The original concept was based on the fact that in the event of losing the war to create a grid of conspiracy, the purpose of which will help in the disappearance of the SS. It was not just settle a new identity and allow the departure, but also provide the means to life, to serve what were looted during the war valuables.

The money was the most important in the whole intention, because I had to bribe officials Knead the new documents and to finance the trip and the first months of life in a new place of residence. According to one theory was not just gratitude organization that wanted to reward faithful service, but the desire to build on the ruins of Hitler's Third Reich himmlerowskiej Fourth Reich. Ideal for that place seemed to Argentina. He spoke to her advantage a significant distance from Europe, as well as the person and Vice President Juana Peróna minister of war (in 1946. Was president), who were close to National Socialism password.

Depressing impressive fact, as many high-ranking criminals managed to escape. Opens a list of shame Adolf Eichmann, organizer of the extermination of the Jews, which comes in a refugee passport in the name of Richard Klement fled to Argentina. At the same country was Josef Mengele, the sadistic doctor from Auschwitz, who, as Helmut Gregor fled from Buenos Aires to Paraguay and Brazil. Of course, the fugitives were more, just to mention that among them were Franz Stangl (the commander of the extermination camps of Sobibor and Treblinka), Gustav Wagner (deputy commandant at Sobibor), Klaus Barbie (the head of the Gestapo in Lyon), Erich Priebke (head of the Gestapo in Brescia), Ante Pavelić (responsible for genocide against Serbs, Jews and Gypsies), Edward Roschmann (commander of the ghetto in Riga), Walter Rauff (responsible for the development of mobile gas chambers) or Alois Brunner (a close associate of Eichmann).




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Post by Sniper1946 » Mon May 22, 2017 9:52 am

After the end of World War II, the United Nations Commission for the Investigation of War Crimes Matters has compiled a register containing the names of nearly one million 120 thousand. criminals and 800 thousand. persons suspected of war crimes. Only a fraction of the number of people heard any complaints. British journalist Guy Walters in the book "Chasing evil" reports that anyone but the Israelis, especially not keen on prosecuting criminals. Especially the Germans. Cites as evidence the information that German intelligence knew about this exactly where Adolf Eichmann already resides in 1952., Ie eight years before his apprehension. It passed into the hands of justice until 1960 and then only because the Mossad took matters into his own hands.

The coverage of Nazi criminals participated not only Argentina, but the United States ( "Operation Paperclip"), which depended on attracting scientists for their research, as well as the Vatican, in whose ranks many priests saw the Nazis defense against Bolshevism.

It's not everything. Many of the officers of the Wehrmacht occupied high positions not only in reviving the Bundeswehr, but also in the East German National People's Army (almost every other officer was trained by the Abwehr). As reported by Norbert Frei in his book "The policy towards the past", as the third member of the cabinet of Chancellor Konrad Adenauer was a member of the Nazi party. Even worse was the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In 1952. Functions in high positions served there more than former Nazis in the days of the Nazi Party members Ribbentrop. There was better with the German Federal Intelligence Service, which was responsible for the formation of post-war Gehlenowi Reinhard, former General Intelligence Nazi. No settlement criminals frequented compromising. People from the past did not have nothing to fear, provided it is not too much paraded.

Does this mean that behind all this was the mysterious Odessa? Not completely. Although many historians are convinced of its existence, in fact, lack of convincing evidence to confirm this fact.

Let's start with the fact that countries such as Argentina or the United States does not need to be bribed to host a precious refugees from the Third Reich. The results of research by German specialists, although criminal, was a bargaining chip in itself. Perón wanted to make their country strong and militarized state, and fled z Niemiec, scientists, doctors, soldiers and engineers were eligible for this purpose perfectly. A complex network of international connections that allowed the end of the war, leaving hundreds of Nazis to Argentina, Uki Goñi perfectly described in the book "The Real Odessa", which recently appeared on the Polish market.

Americans also sought allies in the nascent conflict with the Soviet Union. Just to mention that Wernher von Braun, who worked for Hitler's rockets V-1 and V-2 helped create NASA rocket, which was the first man on the moon, and Hubertus Strughold, conducting human experiments in Dachau, was called the father of the American space medicine.

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It can not be ruled out that the end of the war, Himmler actually strive to achieve the plan of Odessa, doubtful, however, that managed to create an organization with such a wide influence extended camera, as shown even Forsyth. The document recently produced by the station ZDF suggests that Odessa, though she had the ambition has never been a unified structure and in fact consisted of dozens of more or less formal organization that helped the SS. He contributed to the Soviet propaganda. In short, any activity aimed at helping the Nazis attributed to the mythical Odessa.

As for the fact that there were other organizations helping criminals, no doubt. Take although German Stille Hilfe (Silent Help), founded in 1946. By a group of senior SS officers and right-wing clerics. At its head stood the Princess Helena Elisabeth von Isenburg, the wife of a Nazi scientist Wilhelm Prinz von Isenburg. This is the organization closest to Odessa today. Its aim was to provide assistance to all who przysłużyli the Third Reich, and they had trouble after the end of hostilities.

In the early years of the organization it was secret, it registered only in 1951. Because it allowed to conduct fundraising. Officially, the "prisoners of war and internees." Members wrote letters and petitions in defense of veterans. In later years they dealt with the financing of the legal costs, hiring an attorney and all the legal bills. Stille Hilfe took care of the veterans who left the prison walls, helped settle in the old age home, ensure the maintenance and medical care.

Organization actively supported Gudrun Burwitz, the daughter of Heinrich Himmler, who after the war founded - Wiking-Jugend (Viking Youth), which is a direct continuation of the Hitler Youth. In the years 1951-1992 worked as the organization HIAG (Mutual Aid Association of Former Members of the Waffen-SS), whose aim was to help veterans activities for their rehabilitation and the fight for social benefits. All similar initiatives only podgrzewały myth of Odessa.
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Post by The Ringo Kid » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:34 am

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